Slum Dwellers International

There is relatively little appreciation, I think, though, about what it means to do that at a scale that goes beyond the project.

So for us, what's been really important in working with SDI, Slum Dwellers International, is the ability to work with groups that have been networked and federated and who've been doing that work now for decades.

So we're not going back to the beginning and we're not constrained at the local level.

So we're working with people who've had a level of exposure, who can rapidly come up to speed with what we're trying to do.

And she's written extensively on the politics and possibilities of co-production, including for the journal Nature.

And we're also joined by Tom's collaborator, Beth Chitekwe-Beattie, who is the executive director of the Slum Dwellers International Secretariat.

SDI, we've talked about before on this podcast, is a network of federations of the urban poor across Africa, Asia and Latin America.

And Beth is Director of Community Knowledge at the African Cities Research Consortium with a PhD from the University of Manchester, which is where we are today.