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Hey, I'm Kate Lindsay, and you're listening to ICYMI, or in case you missed it, Slate's podcast about internet culture.

And today I am so excited to welcome Anne Helen Petersen to the podcast.

Hello, Anne.

But during this time, we have been doing a lot of studying and restudying, a lot of thinking, praying, looking back over things that we said 20 years ago.

And in all of that process, we have come to the very painful conclusion that we believed and taught some very destructive things when it came to stay-at-home daughterhood.

There's also a great piece on Slate that goes into this by the author Sarah Stancorp, so I recommend that.

So clearly something is happening right now.

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Hey, I'm Kate Lindsay, and you're listening to ICYMI, or in case you missed it, Slate's podcast about internet culture.

And today I am so excited to welcome Anne Helen Petersen to the podcast.

Hello, Anne.

But during this time, we have been doing a lot of studying and restudying, a lot of thinking, praying, looking back over things that we said 20 years ago.

And in all of that process, we have come to the very painful conclusion that we believed and taught some very destructive things when it came to stay-at-home daughterhood.

There's also a great piece on Slate that goes into this by the author Sarah Stancorp, so I recommend that.

So clearly something is happening right now.

There's a vibe shift in the air, and I want to talk about why.

MSNOW national reporter Rosa Flores, editor of the Yale Review and contributing writer at The Atlantic, James Czerwiecki, host of The Adam Mockler Show.

Adam Mockler, of course, and host of What Next? TBD at Slate Magazine, Lizzie O'Leary.

So good to have all of you guys with me.

James, I'll start with you and your reaction to President Obama's remarks there in Ohio.

so people know, we'll include links to a few articles that talk about the stand-up special.

One's from Slate.

One's from Time and one's from Vulture.

And they have...

Like, nobody's super praising what's going on.

Very interesting that, you know, the Time magazine article is a little bit more positive, written by a white man.

Slate, written by a black woman.

What was the other one? Vulture, written by a brown man.

It never... ever ever has

okay i don't know they get half they get they get half the budget

but they don't get half i assure you i assure you what comes into that military budget it does not translate into like the absolute best people and best compensation for people and Okay,

well, we're just talking about a possible faking of an

event.