Sister Souljah moment

And so actually it's interesting you, you brought up in the introduction about Jesse Jackson, who I think is like such a fascinating figure.

[lip smacks] And so he was a huge antagonist of the D- of Dem- of Clinton and like famously in the Sister Souljah moment and all of those things.

But they then have this like close alignment because they're both trying to do like these kinds of programs.

Like Jesse Jackson has a long through line of like a commit- I mean, he sort of, not so much in the, when he was running for president, but in the '70s and then he returns to it in the '90s, of these ideas of like a certain kind of like Black capital empowerment.

Um, I think there's a lot of projection on Jesse Jackson because he, for a lot of people, is a continuation of King's dream, and he, I, I do think he's a holdover from the New Dealers and the Great Society Democrats.

Um, his attachment to labor unions is real.

Um, but that Sister Souljah moment is kind of a big deal that I feel has been lost in the annals of time.

[laughs] Well, 'cause now, I mean, 'cause a part of it's like now it would seem like nothing.