And here, we're gonna come back to Bruce Rastetter.

Rastetter has, has clearly been instrumental in promoting and, and supporting and navigating and shaping the reinvention of ethanol and carbon capture and storage.

All these things are integral to re- this reimagining of ethanol as a, a longterm renewable, sustainable fuel.

It's, uh, putting lipstick on a pig.

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I asked Silvia Secchi about whether carbon capture or BECCS, that's bioenergy with carbon capture, like what FS is doing in Brazil, makes any of this any better.

So here's what I think.

I think that the problem is that very often, people don't take a systems perspective, and they don't consider opportunity costs, right? So to me, BECCS is the latest flavor of pet fix, right? Which is sprinkled with some nice glittery sustainability and renewable kind of sugar-based stars or whatever.