Sidney Rittenberg

And I tried to approach it like that.

I was able to do it because I had mentors like Sidney Rittenberg, Lee Dunbi, and people like Sidney Shapiro, who was a contemporary of Lee Dunbi, who also came over before the liberation in 1949.

I knew a lot of people that gave me advice on how to do this.

And then I had to try really hard to do this.

China is so good at it, unless you limit their ability, it is like a lionfish in the coral reef.

So when Western governments say, I have an instinct towards exclusion and towards, you know, towards containment, there is an instinct behind that, which is not entirely unreasonable.

OK, and even even Sidney Rittenberg, who I think understood China better than any foreigner I've ever met.

He's not he wasn't even a foreigner.