Shoshana Zuboff
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Oct 9, 2026
Marc GafniGUEST
And so he talks about depth.
Marc GafniGUEST
And Shoshana Zuboff in her book Su- Surveillance Capitalism also avoids the value conversation and turns to depth because, you know, every-
Zak SteinGUEST
Mm
Marc GafniGUEST
... we're, we're looking for a way to say it.
Marc Owen JonesGUEST
Social media is actually lower, right? So it's about 20, 23%, right? So the amount of people who trust the news on social media is much lower.
Marc Owen JonesGUEST
Uh, I think my main concern now, I mean, I have lots of nuance to this argument, my main concern is that the big tech bros, the broligarchs, whatever you wanna call them, the informational oligarchs, as, as, as, um, uh, Shoshana Zuboff would call them, are, are the new gatekeepers in the sense that they're sort of the algorithmic gatekeepers.
Marc Owen JonesGUEST
And it ties in with what Peter was saying about even, you know, the mainstream media becoming, in particular, uh, a voice of reform.
Marc Owen JonesGUEST
But the right-wing zeitgeist now is not just right-wing, it's particularly anti-Muslim, anti-Arab.
SarahHOST
Telephone? Didn't we do an episode talking about telephone and the expansion of telephone? We did, because we talked about it in the white...
SarahHOST
Yeah, Zuboff, you did technology and we did it in white in terms of his studies of how far your network goes.
SarahHOST
And it turns out it goes as far as the telephone lines go.
SarahHOST
So I think we talked about that.
Larry SchweikartHOST
In economic news, Seattle may have actually gotten something right, banning surveillance pricing that charges differently based on metadata.
Larry SchweikartHOST
And by the way, while a Marxist, this woman, Shoshana Zuboff, has the right to attitude in her book.
Larry SchweikartHOST
She's got the right evidence here called The Age of Surveillance Capitalism.
Larry SchweikartHOST
The next big battle is going to be over our personal identity, our privacy, and securing your own self from the intrusions of perpetual data mining and exploitation.
Juan Andres Guerrero-SaadeHOST
Those referrals into the ... [laughs] Gonna start selling fit tea and some other shit.
Juan Andres Guerrero-SaadeHOST
Um, no, the, uh, uh, the, the, the core book for this is, um, uh, Shoshana Zuboff's, uh, Age of Surveillance Capitalism, uh, which is, like, core text for this, though frankly she doesn't go far enough.
Juan Andres Guerrero-SaadeHOST
Uh, she doesn't know enough about how this shit works to, to realize just how bad it is, but it is a great book.
Juan Andres Guerrero-SaadeHOST
And then there's another book that I'll tell you about in a sec, Ryan, 'cause, like, I need to go look it up, but I think it's called The Extractors.
Quinn SlobodianGUEST
Yeah.
Quinn SlobodianGUEST
Well, this is really the thing that attracted us to Musk as a subject, is the way that he does sort of combine the diaphanous and the nebulous and then the material and the concrete, combines the hardware and the software in a helpful way, I think, for the conversation about tech capitalism, right? Because especially in the era of Web 2.0, in what has now become the kind of defining critical text f-from that era, Shoshana Zuboff's book, "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism," the way that Silicon Valley was making money was quite different than it is now, right? So just to lay that out, at that point in the era of Web 2.0, it was the case that we, the users, were really creating most of the content.
Quinn SlobodianGUEST
It was very asset light, did not require a huge amount of, um, fixed capital investment.
Quinn SlobodianGUEST
It was people, right, sharing their photographs, sharing their memes, using ride-hailing services and the like.
Bruce SchneierGUEST
It sounds pretty bad, right? It probably makes sense to back off that pretty quickly.
Bruce SchneierGUEST
I mean what we're talking about, and Shoshana Zuboff says this best when she talks about surveillance capitalism, that capitalism is redesigning itself to collect and commoditize our information.
Bruce SchneierGUEST
And we are not quite but almost under ubiquitous surveillance.
Bruce SchneierGUEST
Our smartphones are incredibly – powerful surveillance device that we put in our pocket willingly every morning.
Daniel DenvirHOST
Yeah.
Quinn SlobodianGUEST
Yeah, well, this is really the thing that attracted us to Musk as a subject is the way that he does sort of combine the diaphanous and the nebulous and then the material and the concrete combines the hardware and the software in a helpful way, I think, for the conversation about tech capitalism, right? Because especially in the era of Web 2.0 and what has now become the kind of defining critical text from that era, Shoshana Zuboff's book, The Age of Surveillance Capitalism, the way that Silicon Valley was making money was quite different than it is now, right? So just to lay that out, at that point in the era of Web 2.0, it was the case that we, the users, were really creating most of the content.
Quinn SlobodianGUEST
It was very asset light, did not require a huge amount of fixed capital investment.
Quinn SlobodianGUEST
It was people sharing their photographs, sharing their memes, using ride-hailing services and the like.
Drew DinkmeyerHOST
And I believe like everywhere Tyrese Halliburton goes, the guys shoot better.
Drew DinkmeyerHOST
And I really think Zuboff's presence is going to help Ernie Smith a bunch.
Drew DinkmeyerHOST
And then we talk about like impact and winning.
Drew DinkmeyerHOST
And so far, like I took J Dub, who is an impact and winning guy.
Ryan ShinkelHOST
So your account would apply not just to the tyranny of a government over its people or of one person having immense power over another person, either by lack of enfranchisement or through use of force, but also to corporate structures, to economic relationships.
Ryan ShinkelHOST
I remember one of my former teachers, Elizabeth Anderson, had a book called Private Government, and Shoshana Zuboff on The Age of Surveillance Capitalism-
Philip PettitGUEST
Yes
Ryan ShinkelHOST
...or from the political right, Sobran Mari's Tyranny, Inc., have been making cases about this.
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