Shock Value

This has a co-story by Russo.

Is it John Russo? who worked on, now he was a collaborator of Romero, and they split ways at a certain point, and at least Google is informing me, I don't know if this is true, that Romero retained the rights to call his stuff The Dead, you know, that's why it's Dawn of the Dead, Day of the Dead, Survival of the Dead, and somehow Russo got the living dead, and that's why he, you know, and he wrote a book, I guess there was a book of this that's not humorous or not this crazy, but And when O'Bannon got his hands on it, he wanted to make it all wacky.

And one of the things they do in this is they acknowledge the movie in a way that, I don't know, in 1985, this would be considered postmodern quite.

I didn't know what to make of it when I saw this when I was 13.

It's called Unita, which is kind of goofy and silly.

But O'Bannon was a collaborator of Carpenter's, and he, you know, was in Dark Star, he was in Back, and he worked on that movie in sort of a co-capacity that's become sort of controversial.

There was that book Shock Value, I think it was called, by Jason Zinoman, which I think is an awful book, but if you're a student of, you know, people like Landis and Carpenter and O'Bannon and those guys, it made Carpenter, I mean, it sort of posited Dan O'Bannon as this underdog hero of that that group of horror guys and seventies guys that, and it made Carpenter seem like kind of a cold calculating jerk, but even Carpenter himself and that book I reference all the time called Prince of Darkness, which is an interview he book.

And it's pretty good.

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His books include Letterman: The Last Giant of Late Night, and more germane to our discussion, Shock Value: How a Few Eccentric Outsiders Gave Us Nightmares, Conquered Hollywood, and Invented Modern Horror.

He is Jason Zinoman.

Welcome, Jason.

They all said as much, and I think you see a lot of Pinter performance in Loomis' character.

Yes.

For listeners who want to hear more about, uh, the influence of, of Pinter on '70s horror, uh, Jason writes about it at length with great insight in Shock Value, his, his book, which I'm happy to plug, having read it twice.

All right.