Sherman Jackson

And that runs the risk of us being a captive of that accusation.

Dr. Sherman Jackson, actually, he writes about this and he says in the post 9-11 Islamophobic moment, deja vu, the accusations of Muslims being sleeper cells and terror threats and national security risks and all of this, got most of the Muslims to react by investing in convincing the world, we're actually very sweet.

We're kind people.

We're awesome.

Call them the moderates.

Muslim scholar Sherman Jackson has demonstrated the many situations where Muslims had surpassing political power, but ruled with a practical acceptance of pluralism and civic accommodation of non-Muslim beliefs and behaviors that violated Islam.

But civic accommodation didn't stop gradual cultural replacement.

Wilken points out, "Though originally conquered by the sword, most of the subject peoples eventually embraced the religion of their conquerors.

We understand the, the, the problems in governance and that the governance itself is causing such great oppression.

And but I think the American people, and Dr. Sherman Jackson brings this up, is like the American people are not the government of America.

You know, you say, like, what is America?

Absolutely.

Indeed, some can argue that this secularization process, while diverging from Islamic, classical Islamic law, is not necessarily un-Islamic.

As Sherman Jackson has argued-"

Yeah

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Um, but, um, you know, can you explain, explain a little bit what you mean by this when you s- when you talk about Islamic criminal law, right? What are you talking about? What is Islamic criminal law? And how was it secularized? Even though I read a little bit of it, you know, but maybe go, go a little bit more deep into exactly what you mean by this.

Yeah.

First of all, like, the, the book of, uh, Professor Sherman Jackson is very interesting, uh-

Mm-hmm