[laughing]

You know, he's like, "This show is gonna be the..." It, like, he was always just, um, just pumping this energy into it and this unshakable, unwaverable belief that this is, this is gonna be huge.

And I think he, th- there was definitely, um, a fear around, like, will this show travel? Is it too Black?

On screen

... you need to, you need to see it.

And when I got into, uh, I got in a similar route to you, Ajani, in that I shot a short film 2008.

I, I, was in my last year of uni, and I was like, "I've got access to Kit.

I've got access to an editing suite."