Shaul Magid

Right.

So what do you say to Jews, um, educated Jews like, um, Shaul Magid or, um, this guy Benjamin, um, I think his name is Moser, who just published a book where they talk about a r- they said Judaism has a rich tradition of anti-Zionism.

I really...

Like, I'm curious what you would say to these people.

And so, but I think if you are still operating within a traditionally Jewish paradigm where you think that everything is, you know, God's will and God's hand behind everything and the Jewish people, I actually don't really know if you have a choice, right? In other words, right, Of course, if you believe that God is involved in every action of the Jewish community, you know, for better or worse, what else can you interpret 1967 as, right? Like, I don't think the Satmar answer, right? Satmar, just for listeners, right? They're religious anti-Zionist.

They think that, right? As Shaul Magid writes, who's, you know, no fan of Zionism, but I think his writing is fascinating, right? Shaul Magid, you know, talks about how You know, the Satmar Rebbe almost envisioned Zionism the same way that, you know, Catholics view the Antichrist, right, as sort of this event that seems too good to be true and is luring people away, you know, from true Judaism.

Famously, he said, Masa Satan Hitzliah.

Exactly, right? In other words, that, you know, Satan was successful.

So how about this? Let me give you the next five minutes to talk about anything you want to bring up and wrap up with.

I actually think this is a super interesting conversation.

I mean, one of the podcast episodes that I did on my channel that I've enjoyed the most is with Shaul Magid on his book about the Satmar Rebbe, where we literally talked about this for an hour in terms of the theologic position of Satmar.

Because again, I do think here, I'll throw you a small bone, right? I don't agree with you at all politically and historically, but theologically, I think you're onto something, even if I disagree with the theology.

We are in high holiday season, so wishing you and yours a wonderful Rosh Hashanah, a beautiful, meaningful Yom Kippur, and every day in between.

So we're thrilled to have you with us today, and we're thrilled to be featuring two amazing guests today, Shaul Magid and Lila Rimalovski from Ashera Journal.

That's a journal created by Harvard Divinity School.

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We're thrilled to welcome two of the people involved with creating Ashera Journal.

One of them is Lila Rimalovski, an editor-in-chief of Ashera, and the other is Shaul Magid, founder of this journal.

Lila Rimalovski is a Master of Divinity candidate at Harvard Divinity School where, as mentioned, she is the co-editor-in-chief of Ashera, Innovations in Jewish Prayer and Ritual.