Why is there such a backlash on what you're actually trying to say?

Because we're supposed to be kind, aren't we, us women? And we're supposed to give our things up.

And yet, who's being kind to the women? Who's being kind to our girls? So I've had so many stories reported to me, as you'd imagine.

And one of the most heartbreaking ones was a mother who rang me up and said, please help me.

My daughter's just come back from school.

She's 11.

She's really sporty.

Can you tell us a little bit more about that?

My point is, is that so long as the law is still trying to both defend women's rights and defend trans rights, there's always going to be a point of contention and something to battle over.

Yeah.

But except that no one has ever been denied access to sport.

No one has ever been denied access to a bathroom.

It's just the bathroom that you're choosing to, to, to use.

And trans activists, you know, trans-identifying males in particular, they are the ones that are saying, "We wish to use this bathroom." Well, they don't get to do that.

You know, no one is saying they had- don't have access to a bathroom.

Do you think they're gonna fight this as much as they can? Do you think they're gonna continue campaigning against women's single-sex spaces, or have you won?

Yes,

absolutely, over the years.

I mean, I helped John Major launch the lottery, you know, to help athletes years and years ago.

But I would say it's the hypocrisy across the board which I have a problem with.

You know, I think if you sort of live by the sword, then you die by the sword.

So if you turn around and call for things, you know, at a certain point, then it's going to come back and bite you on the backside.

So...

Sharon?

Yes,

absolutely, over the years.

I mean, I helped John Major launch the lottery, you know, to help athletes years and years ago.

But I would say it's the hypocrisy across the board which I have a problem with.

You know, I think if you sort of live by the sword, then you die by the sword.

So if you turn around and call for things, you know, at a certain point, then it's going to come back and bite you on the backside.

So...

Sharon?