But there had to have been others that were championing you, which then led you to champion others.

Oh, absolutely.

You know, I've had mentors throughout my life.

And even though I said I was confident walking in the room, it doesn't mean I wasn't afraid of the work in front of me.

So, you know, fortunately, there were a couple of really young associates who were former UVA grads who took me under their wings to teach me how to draft, how to draft like a lawyer.

And that was sort of a really critical skill.

Because I had the business degree, I was really comfortable working.

how they really impact an organization and help the CEO.