But I'm hoping that's going to really push people towards the show as well.

And just to add a bit of context around this, the amount of barriers that disabled delegates face.

There was some research that was released recently called Access All Areas, Closing the Accessibility Gap in Events, and it was based here in the UK, but it found that one in three delegates identifying with a visible or non-visible health condition or an impairment are attending events, and that 93% are facing barriers to participation at events as well and there's also been some other research by Access Able who have done some great research around what disabled people or those living with health conditions and impairments what information they look at in order to make a decision on whether they want to go to an event or not and I think it was a mixture of us All three of us just constantly saying the same things to each other, feeling quite frustrated.

There may have been wine involved.

There was.

Yeah.

I attend hundreds of events myself as a speaker, and it's shocking that I've been at It's not a surprise that I'm disabled.

You know, have you considered that not everybody might be able to use the handheld mic that you're providing? So what alternatives do you have? Should this be the case? There's always panic and confusion, but we need to consider everybody's needs in the event, not just the participants, but also the speakers and also staff that are working on the event as well, because they may also have access requirements.

Um, from your experience, tell me what y- what your reaction is to what you're hearing, and, and is this type of incident common for wheelchair users?

Yes, it is unfortunately.

I've, um, been out with two of my friends who are wheelchair users.

I was taking them to a bar, somewhere where I regularly go, and we were all turned away.

Um, and again, the, the same reasons were cited, insurance, fire hazard.

But what we're talking about, you know, is something very, very basic.

It's the right to have access to everyday social spaces just like everybody else, and, you know, restaurants, bars, cafes, nightclubs, it's not a luxury, it's a part of social life, especially for young people.

Mm.

I mean, it is a pretty reprehensible thing to do to basically exploit someone else's disability, isn't it?

It is.

And I think, I think if you don't have a badge or if you don't experience barriers in the outside world, you might think the badge is a bit of a perk.

It gives you closer parking, or sometimes it can mean you get free parking.

But honestly, it isn't.

And, uh, like I've been a blue badge holder from a very young age 'cause I was born with my disability, so my parents had it for me.

And now as a driver myself, you know, I, I have it now.

And what, what's the qualification for getting one?