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Sep 18, 2026
Leah SiskindGUEST
And let me tell you, it is pretty scary.
Leah SiskindGUEST
Hacking into another company.
Leah SiskindGUEST
was just the beginning.
Leah SiskindGUEST
What we found is there are huge swarms, which is a word we like to say when lots of agents are working together, collaborating and plotting together, not only how to hack another company, but how to cover their tracks and how to hide information from people.
Jonathan SchanzerHOST
That's not why people are talking about AI concerns.
Jonathan SchanzerHOST
The questions about AI security really do go into the physical realm, don't they? I don't want to be alarmist here, but let's talk about what are the concerns that people have beyond just the hacking of the Hugging Face website?
Leah SiskindGUEST
Hacking is hacking into another company is just one example.
Leah SiskindGUEST
Like I said, it's kind of hard to wrap your brain around, like, well, why does this matter for you and me? But if they could so easily hack into another company, they could do the exact same thing for a hospital or school or a bank.
Alok MehtaHOST
Um, you know, there's logging that agents do, and so they, they, they should probably have been checking what the, the agents were, um, doing in terms of logs and then sort of followed up on that.
Alok MehtaHOST
And the fact that it took, uh, OpenAI so long to find some of these sort of hacking incidents, in some cases a month or more, I think is really concerning, um, and tells us a lot about the state of internal security practices at labs.
Alok MehtaHOST
Now, I am assuming that that's gonna change, um, in the future, but, um, but, you know, a lot of the information that's been disclosed over the past few months, uh, over these Hacking incidents is really an indictment of sort of internal monitoring and security practices at the labs.
Nicole HerreraHOST
Right.
Alok MehtaHOST
Um, another thing it's an in-indictment for is just, uh, around disclosure.
Kelly EvansHOST
We've had people on these shows all week saying they could be held liable.
Kelly EvansHOST
Hacking is a felony.
Kelly EvansHOST
They could be held liable if their products are hacking other companies.
Tomer WeingartenGUEST
Yep.
Edward Ongweso Jr.HOST
When corporate security people wanted to stampede the FBI and Secret Service into kicking down hackers' doors in the 1990s, they used those hackers' own profane zine articles and message board shit talk to make the case.
Edward Ongweso Jr.HOST
Much has been made of the OpenAI chatbot's dialogue during the hugging face incident.
Edward Ongweso Jr.HOST
No wonder it reads like a rejected script for a reboot of the movie Hackers.
Jathan SadowskiHOST
But that's
Edward Ongweso Jr.HOST
not because the chatbots are waking up and applying to join the cult of the dead cow.
Edward Ongweso Jr.HOST
It's because they were trained on a corpus of chat transcripts from excitable young people who love to fantasize about starring in a reboot of the movie Hackers.
Edward Ongweso Jr.HOST
Every part of the hugging face incident has precedence in the training data, including OpenAI's chatbot's tactic of hacking into a rival's servers.
Edward Ongweso Jr.HOST
This happens in capture-the-flag games at hacker cons.
Peter GostevGUEST
But there's also, it's also, you could be, People were kind of celebrating this AI regulation and it's unclear what they were celebrating because it could be that, for example, they didn't put any precautions against like an AI model hacking in an organization.
Peter GostevGUEST
But, you know, we put some vague precautions against like, oh, you can't use AI.
Lasse RindumHOST
Hacking is already illegal, right? But it is this, you know, sometimes some people will say, oh, but it's a culture thing we need to adopt.
Lasse RindumHOST
Yeah, but culture is much harder to move than regulation, right? But Peter, I think your answer was, we could go on about this.
Lasse RindumHOST
Maybe we should do a third reappearance at one point.
Peter GostevGUEST
But there's also, it's also, you could be, People were kind of celebrating this AI regulation and it's unclear what they were celebrating because it could be that, for example, they didn't put any precautions against like an AI model hacking in an organization.
Peter GostevGUEST
But, you know, we put some vague precautions against like, oh, you can't use AI.
Lasse RindumHOST
Hacking is already illegal, right? But it is this, you know, sometimes some people will say, oh, but it's a culture thing we need to adopt.
Lasse RindumHOST
Yeah, but culture is much harder to move than regulation, right? But Peter, I think your answer was, we could go on about this.
Lasse RindumHOST
Maybe we should do a third reappearance at one point.
Will ChamberlainHOST
Yeah.
Will ChamberlainHOST
And you've had an interesting thesis, which I think was the first time I heard it was your thesis is that hacking is basically dead or will be dead soon.
Will ChamberlainHOST
Hacking will be dead.
Curtis YarvinGUEST
This is not just my own thesis.
Curtis YarvinGUEST
Many are saying this.
ArchangelHOST
questions.
ArchangelHOST
Hacking is more about social engineering than anything else.
speaker_5UNKNOWN
Yep.
ArchangelHOST
Very much.
Richard BirdGUEST
What I've seen is the rise of the cybersecurity corporate complex, right? Which is, and let me give you a very specific example of this.
Richard BirdGUEST
I've got an index site out called the Hacker in a Hoodie Index.
Richard BirdGUEST
Hacker in a Hoodie.com.
Richard BirdGUEST
Yes, that URL was available.
Richard BirdGUEST
And instead of framing cybersecurity in terms of winning or losing, I'm framing it in terms of succeeding or failing.
Richard BirdGUEST
Except if we're measuring all the wrong things, and then that's the way that cyber insurance is pricing policies, then we're insuring the wrong things.
Richard BirdGUEST
But it gets even worse than that.
Richard BirdGUEST
There's an exhibit on the Hacker in a Hoodie site about the most recent NAIC report, which is the National Insurance Consortium.
James McQuigganHOST
I'm so excited that the theme is...
James McQuigganHOST
The Hitchhiker's Guide to Hacking, which is based off the story Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, written by Douglas Adams, that I read back in the 80s, back when I was a kid.
James McQuigganHOST
And seeing the movies, listen to the radio show, love the radio show, listen to that.
James McQuigganHOST
And the fact that they are doing it Using that theme, I redid my title presentation to match that.
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