SecureDrop

Is that really where we've reverted? After all these years?

Unfortunately, I've always said that the underground parking garage, burner phones, paying cash, that yeah, those old-fashioned mechanisms are actually work better sometimes than trying to use Secure Drop and messing it up, or trying to use encryption and one party doesn't do it correctly.

And, or like in Reality Winner's case where there's a, a technology that the government recognizes and is able to use that the whistleblower or the journalist is not aware of.

A lot of journalists are...