Secretary of State for Work and Pensions

Right.

The Work and Pensions Secretary, yes

And what, and what was he caught saying not very long ago? Let's get this verbatim quote right.

"Who can we tax in order to pay benefits to others?" That is the only question that any one of his Labor cabinet colleagues asked him any single time.

Yeah, uh, and certainly about, uh, perhaps the, uh, slowness as some of those MPs saw it, with which he transitioned from, uh, support for Israel in the aftermath of the Hamas attacks to questions about Israel's conduct of the war that followed.

Uh, I mean, Pat McFadden, who was the Work and Pensions Secretary, uh, answering questions about another story on the media this morning, had it put to him at various points by different interviewers that there was politics in this.

He was adamant that there wasn't.

Look, clearly, it is the case whether it affects this, the timing of this announcement and the nature of this announcement or not, that one of the areas where the Labour Party has lost support to so-called progressive voters, so the Greens and others over the past couple of years, is on this issue.

in, in, um, i- in sort of just south of Central London.

Um, and a few Twitter accounts had not identified Pat McFadden, the Work and Pensions Secretary.

Yeah.

I presume he just thought he was working at Sainsbury's.

[laughs] He's, as you know, helpin' every-

[laughs]

No, he's Work and Pensions Secretary.

Um, yeah.

I think it was Reform the other day.

I had Ian Duncan Smith, who of course was the Work and Pensions Secretary under Cameron, I think [clears throat] or maybe later, and he actually made real change across two years.

Because, you know, the, the-- there's this ludicrous scenario still, isn't there, where you don't even have to have a face-to-face interview.

And I don't care whether it's Reform or the Tories or whoever.