Sean Oliver

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Created by Tristan Nash, Kevin Nash, and Sean Oliver.

Producer, Steve Kaufman.

Graphics by Dominic D'Angelo.

I think it was being too close with the wrong people.

Sean, you know?

Yeah.

And, uh, so going to this book, I was like, "What-"

I mean, kind of being responsible in a, in a, you know, one of a myriad of other reasons for the whole Bret, Sean, Montreal thing was [laughs]

Yeah.

I was trying to explain it to my, my w- my wife about it, where I was like, we, I was wa- I'm, I've been doing my research.

Yeah.