Seán Lemass

Yeah

... that are gonna need to be, to be rolled out, to ensure that the corporation tax levels that are coming in now, they won't continue forever, but we need to make sure that, so what's the next phase of the Irish economy? When Jack Chambers was talking about Sean Lemass, you were kind of looking at him going, "Okay, but what's your Lemass moment here?"

Yeah.

Interesting.

And he said at the time, Tim, Ted Neelan, changed Off to Join the IRA to Off to Join the NFA.

And then he said on Sean Lemass leaving office to hand over to Jack Lynch, Lemass and his... son-in-law, Charles Hawhey, did come out and meet with the farmers.

Ricard DC stepped down shortly after and it was one T.J. Marr, another Tipperary man, who led the farmers into a new era and it was important later to have him in the European Parliament and that is from Tim.

Thank you for that.

Yep.

And then when you look at the history of Ireland, you know, whether it's Sean Lemass or Charlie Haughey, you do need kind of bold politicians-

Mm

... to lead, I mean, properly lead.

The man himself was austere, but a good man in some ways, right, you know.

But as soon as he took his hand off the reins and Sean Lemass came to power and a fellow called TK Whittaker, he was the brain box behind Ireland coming into the 21st century.

This is when we went to Europe.

Well, he didn't enter Europe until 1973, but this was the early 60s when Sean Lemass came into power.

the whole thing changed, right.

Wages rose up and people had money to spend, right, you know, and that austerity was gone.