Where did that come up in the book for you?

Oh, well, I think a lot about the book, um...

I think of the, I think of the book as really people-centered.

One of the early conversations we had, uh, when we're laying out the chapters was, well, we need a book, we need a chapter that, uh, or a section of the book that talks about security really is more than one team.

And my favorite saying about threat modeling is that my threat model is not your threat model.

It is...

Security is one of the most, uh, w- security is one of the disciplines that demands the widest diversity and inclusion you can think of precisely for that reason, and that's really echoing what Lee said, is that all of these different perspectives coming together from different points of view, from different experience levels.

Oh, God.