Saybrook University

Everything started making sense that I had this kind of innate ability somehow to sit with people and get to depth.

And then I went further for the PhD at a place called Saybrook University following my mentor named Stanley Krippner.

And he's a scholar of dream work, consciousness studies, shamanism.

He was already older when I got there, but he took me on and really brought me into the academic study of consciousness and shamanism.