Saul Singer

And as we were talking before, we were talking about sort of the different new spartas.

The Israeli model is a little bit different, right? So if you go back a generation and you look at Startup Nation, the book by Dan Snor and Saul Singer, They talked a lot about martial culture, the way the flatness of the Israeli military and how that translates into creative idea making, not being sort of rigidly locked into a hierarchical line of control and how that breeds innovation.

That's less about societal resilience.

That's more about the malleability of institutions.