Sarah Vowell

You're so goth that you can be pink goth? I feel like it was

something that Sarah Vowell came up with and something she's turned in for This American Life.

And it does seem like it is a thing.

Pink goth, apparently.

It was like...

It was great writers, Geraldine Brooks, and Dave Eggers, and Jon Lanchester, and, and Sarah Vowell and so on, Kamau Bell, uh, Casey Cep.

And they, that, they became a, they became a book.

Now, when Trump 2 happens, it's an int- it's such an different story.

persona.

I think it was Sarah Vowell who said he's an expert at being alone in a crowd.

He stands apart in a way that is vaguely inhuman.

So even when he's trying to play sort of a much human-relatable character, there's some kind of eerie... ineffable distance between me and tom cruise and i think that's uh just him as a person it's not necessarily like a well we're very aware he's cultivated