Sarah Jaffe

Uh, I'm laughing because I went to a show in New York, and it was sort of, like, just everybody had masks, but there was [laughs] it was also, like, people were drinking and eating, so they were taking the mask off and then...

Um, but I said to Lynn, I was like, "Look, I really want to write a book that speaks to, it's clear-eyed about the negative, so it's not a ri-" You know, she said to me, "Don't make this, like, a pro-employer, um, everything's great with work." But I was seeing books like Sarah Jaffe's Work Won't Love You Back: How Devotion to Your Job Keeps You Exhausted, Lonely, and I forget the third one, but it wasn't go lo- lonely, exhausted, and something.

Exploited, that's what it was.

Um, and then there was another book that came out, you know, Uh, The Good Enough Job by Simone Stolzoff, Reclaiming Life from Work.

And a couple things happened when I decided to stay over time.

One is I made friends, um, and, and some of those guys are, like, really my buddies now.

And the other is that I got better.

And, you know, I'll show you.