What do you see there in the corporate environment?

Yeah, I think a lot of it is role modeling.

So related to one of the things I said earlier is even having a meeting where the leader opens up whatever AI you're using and is like, I'm going to try something that I haven't tried before.

And I'm going to basically do this with you as an audience so that you can see that it's not perfect, that I don't have all the answers and that I'm just testing and iterating with the use of this tool.

So I think we're not very good at practicing what we preach.

We tell other people, you know, you should definitely experiment and you should you know, go off and kind of just mess with it, right? But then we're like, well, why didn't you finish this in time? So making sure that you're actually showing that this is how we should do things, identifying one workflow that you can work on together where the whole point is just to test how you could make it better rather than saying, The workflow needs to be better.

So it's about the process and it's about how we work with each other.

Talk a little bit about how you take them on that journey.