Sarah Champion

And for me, that's the distasteful element of it, Jim.

I do feel that it's a bit misleading and I was reading there was two statements from Labour MPs and one was saying about Sarah Champion David Attenborough's ocean revealed the shocking devastation caused by bottom trawling.

Then we had another MP likening it to ripping up an orchard to pick an apple.

Well, I just wanted to look in and see who would make a statement like that.

We both work for the Bauer family.

And as I was just about to start my show, Sarah Champion, who does the show before mine, and I'm guessing the show after yours, came in and said, you might just want to change the muff on the microphone there because John Richardson was in earlier and he looked ill.

She said he was sweating.

So we did a muff change.