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... and tries to change what it is they're doing in their classroom, and how can we understand the impact of those techniques? And that got me down the road of wanting to understand responsive classroom, other social-emotional learning programs and approaches, and understanding what happens when you put those approaches into place, and how does it change the classroom environment, and how does it change the experiences of children.

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But, um, he, um, reached out to Megan and said, "Okay, we got a project we gotta work on." And we wrote a few papers about this, but this one in particular, what we did is, um, they had access to the core data, and the core data are this, it's this consortium of schools in California where, um, they introduced a student report survey that they administered every year as if it was an achievement test.