São Paulo Forum

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The Sao Paulo Forum, one of the founders, Lula da Silva, in the 20th century, and there's very little left of it here in the 21st century.

Brazil might be the last piece, but it's a big piece.

So do you see that playing a part in this conversation, the ambitions of the Sao Paulo Forum? And the major characters are still on the scene, even if they're not holding presidencies.

Even before Lula came into the Brazilian presidency, we can recall that he helped to establish the São Paulo Forum, which was always a gathering of leftists, you know, both in power and out across the region.

It hasn't been the only coordinating vehicle in Latin America for leftists to, you know, figure out what they're going to do and ideas and sometimes subversive things.

You have the Grupo del Puebla in Mexico that has served a similar fashion.

But to the extent that the Sao Paulo Forum continues to be an active instrument, and of course, with the protection of a Lula, who's likely to double down on left, I think that you could see it continuing to play, you know, some role in coordinating what we might call the resistance in Latin America within right oriented governments, as well as coordinating those leftist governments who are trying to survive, you know, the authoritarian Ortega regime in Nicaragua, Cuba for as long as the Cuban regime lasts, etc, etc.

portion of of uh chinese trade with the region is is brazil brazil is connected with the uh with the prc through the bricks as they are with with russia and others and so i think in many ways even though brazil and especially the brazilian military have always been u.s friendly um and the brazilian people are certainly a very tolerant pluralistic people although pretty polarized right now i think what you'll see is uh you know increasingly brazil moving to become the principal foil of the Trump administration or at least leading the charge in the region in the next two years.

The Sao Paulo Forum, one of the founders, Lula da Silva, in the 20th century, and there's very little left of it here in the 21st century.

Brazil might be the last piece.

But it's a big piece.

So do you see that playing a part in this conversation, the ambitions of the Sao Paulo Forum? And the major characters are still on the scene even if they're not holding presidencies.

Yes.

Even before Lula came into the Brazilian presidency, we can recall that he helped to establish the São Paulo Forum, which was always a gathering of leftists, you know, both in power and out across the region.

It hasn't been the only coordinating vehicle in Latin America for leftists to, you know, figure out what they're going to do and ideas and sometimes subversive things.

rejecting the socialist insanity, which is what Lula represents.

But I would say also Lula is, Lula has been around a long time and he was one of the founders decades ago, I think it was in the 1970s, with Fidel Castro of the Sao Paulo Forum, which is an organization committed to spreading this kind of socialist ideology.

in South America.

So he's obviously very strong.

That makes life difficult for Brazilians.

I believe Lula da Silva is credited with being, if not the founder, one of the founders of the Sao Paulo Forum, which is decidedly left of center.

Does that still pertain to the circumstances today, or is that history?

Well, I'd say the left doesn't give up, you know.

I mean, the Sao Paulo Forum is kind of not as important as it used to be, but there's another group called the Puebla Group from Mexico.

But they're the same group of people, you know, Lula being one of them.

Right now, they're sort of out of power because most of South America has been voting for the right.

Flavio probably is going to expose how Lula da Silva did not win the election and how the two biggest cartels in Brazil are connected with the Workers' Party and Lula da Silva.

And he's probably also exposed how Lula da Silva was ahead of the Sao Paulo Forum in South America.

He needs to do that.

And I hope he is going to do that precisely because we have a document, we have proofs.

Even CNN in Brazil is saying that Trump has a dossier about Lula da Silva election, the Brazilian election, and also Demorais.

So even the CNN in Brazil are saying this.

So we hope that Brazil is going to be exposed and Lula da Silva is going to be known as the head of the São Paulo's Forum and the criminals in South America.

Alan, where do people get, we're going to stand by for all this.

Políticamente siempre hemos tenido buena relación, pero nunca-

Parte de la Copal, parten en su momento el Foro de São Paulo, parten en su momento de Siria.

¿Qué pasa?

Fran, no estoy diciendo que siempre hemos tenido-

For instance, on the late 2010s, early 2020, they voted for something that is known as Grupo de Lima, or Lima Group.

They are... center-right politicians so basically like lukewarm right politicians then another way and we got on the early 2010s basically after COVID they voted left again the rest of Latin America minus some exceptions but this time it wasn't this hard you know socialist communists left the Foro de Sao Paulo left as they are known But they are now more, you know, woke progressive left people like Gabriel Boric in Chile, for instance.

And so chameleons, political chameleons, they went from hard left to woke progressive left.

Okay.

For instance, on the late 2010s, early 2020, they voted for something that is known as Grupo de Lima, or Lima Group.

They are... center-right politicians so basically like lukewarm right politicians then another way and we got on the early 2010s basically after COVID they voted left again the rest of Latin America minus some exceptions but this time it wasn't this hard you know socialist communists left the Foro de Sao Paulo left as they are known But they are now more, you know, woke progressive left people like Gabriel Boric in Chile, for instance.

And so chameleons, political chameleons, they went from hard left to woke progressive left.

Okay.