Share a little bit more about how you made that pivot to public health and, and what that looked like for you.

Yeah.

It was a really, uh, I would say God-ordained kind of situation.

I, I mentioned I was kinda hit a crisis when I realized I didn't wanna be a doctor.

I think that was, like, everybody's expectation for my life.

And then I sort of discovered and took a summer course on global health as sort of a...

in college and recognized that the kinds of things that I cared about, which was mental s- you know, spiritual as well as physical health, were, uh, things that you didn't just have to do on an individual level, but you could create systems or you could create programs that affected people and promoted their health on a, on a, a wider scale.

But like if we, if we had more morally relevant information, that also seems like a really important thing.

So instead of tagging their ears, the scientists in his lab decided they were gonna try tattooing the animals in order to, like, mark them.

We basically have a tattoo machine which is exactly the same as the, as the tattoo that machine that is used by, by, by all the tattoo artists, and we just, uh, do it normally, like-

So they're chugging along, tattooing their mice, um, to do their next experiment, which all seemed to work fine, but then something unexpected happened.

My students told me, "You know, the lymph nodes of the animals are completely full with the ink of the tattoo."