Sandy Patton

Most of the things I would write there, like poetry, are songwriting.

Sandy Patton from there was asking about, what are some poems about reading or writing poetry? I suggested, to no one's surprise, Wendell Berry works specifically how to be a poet, to remind myself, which I know you're very acquainted with.

And she's like, well, how do we get permission to reprint that? Do you know anything about that? And so I asked the Berry Center folks and Ben Aguilar, one of the directors there said, oh, just write the man himself.

Like it was like a publishing house or an online forum.