Sandra McCracken

So it was a really sweet time because...

Andrew Osenga and Jill Phillips and Andy Gullahorn and all these, Sandra McCracken, we were all found ourselves left behind by the Christian industrial complex.

But we had each other, you know what I mean? Yeah.

We had our churches and we had this calling that we realized didn't hinge on whether or not we had a record deal.

I love

him.

I'm like, how have I missed him over the last couple of decades? And of course, Sandra McCracken, my goodness, just, I love everything she's ever done.

Though you throw those names out, and to me, it does feel like a community that was really different.