Sandra Ingerman

Right.

But also Sandra Ingerman.

Because when my dad passed away almost two years ago, she has a book about walking through darkness and but she does it through the with the help of animals type of thing.

And it was so it was so in line with, you know, what I was experiencing, but also just the work that I do as an animal communicator, particularly around like pet loss grief.

So I'm hearing the voice of the unified field.

And I had kind of on my own after a lot of research reading Eliade and Sandra Ingerman and everybody I could get my hands on, went back down because I knew this cultural layer was blocking me from having access to the truth of what was happening.

And I looked like I was in psychosis because in the 14 months between the first retreat and the second retreat, I went through those pre-waves I was mentioning, the tests, they got really intense.

It turned into apocalyptic nightmares.

I was one of the last ones in.

I sit down, I look up, and there is Michael and David and Sandra Ingerman, 'cause she was auditing the class at the time.

Behind them was a stage.

You kinda can't make this stuff up, can you?

Hi, everyone.

It's Sandra Ingerman, and welcome to The Shaman's Cave.

Hello, everyone.

I'm Renee Baribeau, and we are excited to be here today with a really important topic about what shaman, what a shaman does as distinguished from what other activities do.