Um, could you broadly outline some of the changes and developments that have occurred since your, your last conversation with Packaging Europe?

Yeah, I think, uh, a lot, you're right, a lot has changed, and 12 months is a long period of time in the packaging industry.

I think, uh, I think as you look at the whole packaging industry, uh, bio, biomaterials, circularity, repulpable, compostable, uh, recyclable, all are now what considered 12, 24 months ago maybe buzzwords, technology, people trying to figure out what to do.

What was there today, it's like mainstream.

This is where everyone's working.

Last year when we attended the conference in, uh, November, uh, we talked about for Archroma, um, for over 100 years, we've always been in a water-based chemistry, so we have never had a solid.

We always had a good solution, uh, that was a sustainable solution for packaging.

You mentioned, um, water-based chemistry and since, um, your last conversation with Packaging EuropeHave there been any recent advances and innovations in water-based chemistry you'd like to share?