Samir Okasha

Even that framework I talked about, these fitness landscapes where organisms are moving up, they naturally tend to move up towards higher peaks.

Uh, certain, uh, philosophers like, uh, Samir Okasha, uh, John Rice has written a whole book on this, uh, have talked about these are teleological It's, it's as if we're thinking about these populations as trying to climb up hills, as trying to get to higher fitness.

These are goods.

These are goals for populations to try and succeed.