There are other airlines, so what are they doing in your understanding?

So they've also been doing it exactly what the CAR tells.

For instance, Indigo, Akasa, they've all been testing randomly.

Contrary to popular belief, not a lot of people are using substances and flying the airplane.

Now, what the union said initially also asked for is a transparent way of testing and know completely well what you're getting into, what could be a positive.

So we brought out a circular to the pilots stating that some of the substances that could be turning your test positive could be over-the-counter medication, which we are liberally using in India.

I know pilots who prescribe to other pilots Hetrazan 100mg, Dolo 650, Citrizine, Sinerest, and stuff like that.

Now, do you have a formal reaction to that particular event and the outcome of that test?

The big question, of course, is what will the shape of the future workforce look like? Sam, what are the companies telling you about the impact on their hiring? Are they doing more with less, more with the same or

more with more? It's company by company, but we are definitely hearing, particularly from some of these growth companies, that hiring plans are slowing down slightly at the margin.

So we had...

One of the large semi companies who said that they had a budget for 5,000 new R&D staff.

And because of the work they were able to do with some of these AI models, that was reduced to 3,000 R&D staff.

I think it's worth pointing out that these are growing companies.

So it's an easier decision to make for a company that is planning on growing headcount for the next few years to change that budget.

What are the key questions you're asking them?

The big question, of course, is what will the shape of the future workforce look like? Sam, what are the companies telling you about the impact on their hiring? Are they doing more with less, more with the same or

more with more? It's company by company, but we are definitely hearing, particularly from some of these growth companies, that hiring plans are slowing down slightly at the margin.

So we had...

One of the large semi companies who said that they had a budget for 5,000 new R&D staff.

And because of the work they were able to do with some of these AI models, that was reduced to 3,000 R&D staff.

I think it's worth pointing out that these are growing companies.

So it's an easier decision to make for a company that is planning on growing headcount for the next few years to change that budget.

What are the key questions you're asking them?

If you think back to... your most challenging time, where was that? What were you doing? Tell us about

that.

Yeah, I guess I'm 47 now.

So my darkest time come just before I was 40.

So we're going back about seven years or so.

And it was just, I'd spent a lot of my life not really knowing what I was going to do.

I was going to be a professional footballer when I was younger.

Now, tell me, like, how did you, how have you used that pain that you felt during that time?

I reached out to Captain Sam Thomas, president of the Airline Pilots Association, and I began by asking him how he was seeing the linkage between the flight duty time limit norms and the recent and unfortunate deaths of the two pilots.

pilots.Firstly, condolences to the family of the, uh, departed, and this is not the first time that this particular incident is happening.

Over the last three years, we've lost more than 20 pilots.

Just to get a basic idea of what exactly is happening, unfortunately, in India, mental health and fatigue are two, uh, almost taboo subjects, and nobody really wants to talk about that.

Now, it's pertinent in the life of a pilot, and we've been raising this issue for the last 10 years now.

We've repeatedly written to the regulator.

Unfortunately, what has been happening is the airlines are able to prevail over the regulator at all times to dilute these standards that are set forth in the civil aviation requirement that is promulgated by the DGCA.

So, in terms of, let's say, the average or median time that pilots have to spend in the air or in the aircraft, or in the cockpit to be more specific, how would that compare, just to refresh the memory of our listeners as well, uh, compared to other countries or what you feel is a global benchmark?