Sam McKnight

Yes.

And then the history of Sam McKnight and, you know, these, Paul Hanlon and James Pecsi and these guys, this is their livelihood, and this is what they do.

And an ask came in to the brand, "Would you be willing to do...

Would, do you know this, this designer, Willie Chavarria?" I was like, "Are you kidding? I've been watching him since he's, since day one.

I like that.

I will support you in any way I can on that because I've done shoots for magazines and I know Sam McKnight's a bit behind it.

And sometimes you'll have spent two days on a shoot and then you're like, where's my credit? Yeah.

And they're like, oh, we forgot.

And she was a really influential stylist doing mega shows.

So in the 90s, I was doing New York, Paris, Fashion Weeks, all that with Lance Lowe, you know, from Shipton Lake and Lowe and Sam McKnight and people like that.

I had a great time in the 90s.

But this big fashion stylist who was working with these mega designers said, I want a perm.