... and, and most of them went through very similar phase of s- learning sales and so on.

Yeah.

I think you have to learn sales one way or another.

Like either you need to go to a car dealership, you need to go to a phone call center, or you need to go do it on the doors.

But you need to do some form of sales 'cause a lot of times peoples think sales is, uh, about pushing a product or being pushy.

Really, in my mind, when I think of sales is you're learning how to read another person in a very short micro period of time and then provide what they're looking for, provide a value.

And a big part about ethical sales, and I had to learn this on the doors, one of the reasons I stopped doing door-to-door sales actually and moved into this industry is I didn't like the fact that if I didn't have the best product for somebody, then the right thing to do is refer them to my competitors.

Mm-hmm.