Sam Kilmer

Thank you over to Katie Gwynn Williams and Greg Palmer and the entire.

Finnovate team and to our guy, Sam Kilmer, who was also in the building at the Marriott Marquis.

But the topic, and you remarked on this in a separate conversation, super long title to the panel, but I'll go ahead for the audience sake.

I'll read it out.

They were arguing about stuff and hashing it all out.

And a couple of members of my team and I were just kind of sitting there observing as they were arguing about stuff.

And one guy proposes a new way of doing something.

And another guy goes, well, we've tried that before and it's not going to work.