Ben

Davison, for anybody that can't understand your accident, Ben Davison is what Colin is trying to refer to.

I'm not a coach.

Don't profess to be one.

I'm just... uh someone that's like i mean don't sit on the fence because at the end of the day the only thing that i saw yesterday that i i thought Fabio was trying to bring one up.

He was trying to do that lead uppercut.

And against Daniel Dubois, it's suicide.

So as far as you're aware, the belt's going to be vacated?

Mm.

He- he- he, uh, with, with ease, with absolute ease for the British and Commonwealth title in his eighth contest.

And, like I say, I don't see, think you will see the best of Hamza Uddin until he gets to the absolute pinnacle.

I really don't think you'll see it because he's so good.

He's so talented.

And that was the first fight where you saw where he could use both his hands, because he'd had hand trouble, which he got, he got rectified, which is the reason for his in- inactivity.

He was out a few weeks ago to knock the ring rust off.

Like I said, they've only got, what, 16 days, like you said.

I don't watch boxing YouTube channels.

I'll be honest.

Do you watch them? I do watch a few of the boxing communities.

He puts those mini documentaries together.

I'll be honest with you.

I watch IFL TV more than any other channel.

And I do.

Conor Walker will be 80 kilo by

yeah,

yeah, it'll come, it'll come.

And I thought, when we signed to fight Chakram Giyasov, Jack was number one in the WBO.

So it was a big risk, really, fighting Giyasov.

But we thought, you know what? Jack's avoided.

He's avoided.

Let's do the fight.

What do you see in Jack's game and Tiafema's to make you so strongly believe that that's the

you've known john hedges for a long time as well be represent the man she wrote in pat brown now of course represented john when he first turned professional as a young seventeen eighteen year old but Why, though, with all due respect, do you believe this isn't his time to beat your man, Pat Brown?

You're trying to get me, aren't you, Jamie? Listen, John's a fantastic fighter, and it shows in Pat's camp.

This camp's cost a fortune for Pat.

Getting sparring partners is very, very difficult, long-rangey southpaws, so Pat has taken this.

There's no overlooking here, and that's the respect he's given to John as a fighter.

John's a fantastic fighter in his own right.

I just believe...

It's two

I'm going to give you props because you said in the interview we did two days ago that they're disrespecting Hergovich.

Yeah, the odds were disgraceful.

And this is what I meant yesterday.

We expected Moses to win, but we shouldn't be shocked if Hergovic wins.

He is a top five, top three, really, heavyweights in the world with a granite chin, Olympic bronze medalist, done loads of WSB, just a very experienced man that's only ever been stopped on his feet due to cuts, really.

Do you know what I mean? And he didn't really train for that fight.

You could see he was on his feet.

Now, to jump on the back end, to piggyback off that, Sam, how much did Hergovic maybe... break Atalama in the sense of the shots that Atalama was landing put everybody away leading up to this fight.

The thing is, as well, I guess in your heart of hearts, you don't think that this fight will happen and maybe Jack might get elevated or something along them lines? I

don't know, you know, because Lopez's track record, he does take on challenges.

He does seem to be talking like he doesn't want this fight, though.

He doesn't want the fight.

He's a kid, he doesn't want the fight.

He's like, oh, I'm going to have to get my legal team to look at it.

Like, look at what? There's nothing to look at.

Hmm.

I genuinely

believe that.

Adam, same question.

I think Sam's views changed, actually.

I remember just before the fight was made, Sam came up to me and said, I'm begging you.

Don't let John...

I didn't say the word begging.

Not really?

So exciting times.

Spence, can I...

I mean, obviously, pleasingly, in some ways for all of us, because we all very much like him, Joseph Parker has found his way through the challenges that he f- that he got himself into.

It would appear that, without breaching any confidences, that contamination is the issue that was able to overcome the challenge that he had.

Um, he's now back in the mix.

What do you think Frank's gonna do with him? And do you think, actually, Joseph has got any ability to have a go at anybody about the fact that he's had to sit on the sidelines for nine months trying to find his way back when he's been effectively blacklisted and compromised-

Let's move on to a fight on the weekend, a good fight, um, between Callum Simpson-

... got it spot on.

Go ahead, yeah.

Okay.

So starting in verse 25 of Deuteronomy 22, it says this: "But if a man finds a betrothed young woman in the countryside, and the man forces her to lie, uh, her and lies with her, then only the man who lie with her shall die.

Uh, but you shall do nothing to the young woman.

There is, uh, in the young woman no sin deserving of death, for just as when a man rises against his neighbor and kills him, even so this man, uh, so is this matter.

For he found her in the countryside, and the betrothed young woman cried out, and there was no one to save her.

If a man finds a young woman who is a virgin, who is not betrothed, uh, and seizes her and lies with her and they are found, then the man who lie with her, uh, shall give the young woman, um, 50 shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife because, uh, he has humbled her.

... your closing and then move on.

Like, you know, it's, you know it's not uh for the faint-hearted that's for sure um so look appreciate you sharing all that sam in terms of like you know you guys you know when we first initially spoke and i reached out to you and was like you know i've seen you guys pop up i've heard of you guys in the market um i couldn't believe how you know successful you guys have been in your space so kudos to you like the numbers are insane um what's the situation with the business like what's the you know the next six months looking like i'd like to say six years but it's just impossible to go beyond that

yeah so um when i started the business right i you know i left my previous company i had a 12 month non-compete i've been working for like 10 years my plan was to start kind of slow like you know not put any pressure on myself and see how the first year went um Within about two weeks, I got kind of bored and I was like, okay, right, I'm just going to get full into it.

And so year one was, I mean, it was just basically me by myself.

Had an amazing first year, learned a lot about business, realized that you have to pay a lot of tax as well.

As a business owner, you have to plan for that.

Previously, I'd been in this mindset of like, maximize profit, keep costs down.

But you have to be smart about how you do things.

And they're really, really... falling behind you know they're not anywhere near the growth they should be they become very stagnant you know it becomes a bit of a revolving door and a vicious cycle that they go into but you know what have you guys done or what are you doing differently to to to be outside the box or change that you know as well as attract the right talent that what they could expect to work for you

Unknown quantity as well

Yeah.

Yeah, and he was unknown, and it was a good upper cut on the, on the inside.

He's caught him, like, people are quick to say.

But the p- his powers of recovery, he recovered, and he knocked the guy out in the second round.

I think...

Listen, I'm an AJ...

Did you see Simon Jordan's tweet?

Yeah.

So that's the talk right now.

So I've been speaking to Eddie, and Eddie just goes, "Look, let's get him a fight in America, and we'll challenge one of the Americans in a, in a welterweight contest." And Conor Walker is bang up for that.

He's bang up for anything.

There's, um, there's potential of the Crocker rematch, um, with- that I'm sure people will be desperate to see.

But ultimately, um, no disrespect to, to Lewis, he's just been beaten, so that kind of prestige of that fight had kind of gone away a little bit because it would, it would've been for the belt.

So Lewis, I would say, needs Conor a little bit more than what Conor needs him now.

Yeah.

What is going on? What are you worried about? And what are you planning for?

Well, I think the headline right now, the way that we see the world is American cyber dominance has never been so important.

That's essentially what we started this company for.

And we're all going to share our different perspectives on how we're tackling that problem.

But the problem that we see in the market and the industry right now is that every board of directors is asking one question of their CISO for the first time ever, which is really exciting for the security industry.

And that is, what is my enterprise readiness against a mythos equipped and compute equipped adversary that wants to do damage to my business? And if I'm not ready, what am I going to do about it? That's on kind of the business defensive side.

On the more national offensive side, every cyber offensive operator that's doing God's work in some windowless basement right now is asking, how do I employ these models at scale to defeat and deter my adversaries? And how can I do in a way that I can govern my system and own my own destiny? Those are very hard technical problems, which we'll get into.

What is something the national security community understands about cyber that the commercial world doesn't know or understand?

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And so I, I'm curious, do your daughters see, like, AI as like, "This is gonna ruin my life," kinda thing, "I won't be get a job"?

I mean, the question is what questions then are we expecting Hrgovic to ask of Moses?

I think he'll, I think he'll ask him, I do.

He's a very sharp puncher, Hrgovic.

He's inc- incredibly accurate.

Yeah, he's not the fastest heavyweight, but he's incredibly accurate, Hrgovic, and he is no mug.

He's got a granite chin.

He's tough, he's strong, and he's got Olympic pedigree.

I mean, I realize that Gabby Agbonlahor isn't programmed for questions or perhaps programmed for asking questions, but is there a danger, is there a danger when you see Pat Brown in the studio already being asked questions about fighting, uh, a former world champion and someone on the pursuit of another world belt, that we're getting, or people are getting a little bit carried away and running before Pat can walk?

Mm

... moving two, three hours at max.

Um, but yeah, obviously that first week, uh, coming over from New Zealand, that's a, definitely takes you four or five days to get over the jet lag for that.

Um, but yeah, you just kinda, you just kinda get thrown in the deep end and you just don't know any better.

Like, you just kinda go, go in there and, and, and learn and adapt.

Obviously, it's probably not a, not conscious learning, it's kinda just unconscious, uh, subtle things here and there.

Learning, learning how to read certain lies, um, yeah, understanding conditions and how that affects the ball on certain grasses and all that kind of stuff.

But, you know, what's it been like, you know, p- playing the likes of Waverley while you've been back home, and obviously Ngamutu and, and plenty of others to choose from ar- around there and, you know, good to see the, the Taranaki getting its flowers on that front.

Um, Daniel Dubois, a man to be doubted no longer, I would think.

Yeah.

Good morning, guys.

Um, no, he- he's, um...

Stunning performance from both men, really.

It was a, it was a fight that...

It's probably the best fight I've ever watched live, if I'm honest with you.

What did you think about the officiating?

No, I agree.

He's Michael Myers.

It's like you shoot Michael Myers and he just keeps, like, hitting it and then bouncing off him, and he just keeps coming for- That's what Fabio...

He is a granite, double hard bastard, Fabio Wardley.

Simple as that, right? But when you're doing it against Justice Huni, who respectfully cannot punch.

Joseph Parker, yeah, he's a strong bo- he's a strong guy, but he's not a big puncher.

He's never known to be a big puncher.

It, it got him fired up.

Before we talk about the fight, I want to talk about Mike.

He came after you a little bit there, didn't he? Yeah, listen, he can come after me all he wants, but listen, he should come after me because I'm here, and he's here.

He has one fighter.

I don't know any.

He has one fighter.

I've got champions.

I've got a roster of fantastic talent.

A

It's nuts.

Yeah, there's been lots of it.

Lots, lots of it.

British b- British boxing's flying.

I think it's the best time.

I think this is the best fight that you can possibly make.

I really do.

You never rule anything out, do you?

Um, but what, what are, what are some of the most, like, kind of common strategies that bad actors are using today in the context of, uh, AI, uh, to carry out whatever their goals are?

If you think about pre-AI malware, it was already autonomous but it was basically reliant on, like, if then decision-making.

What AI basically allows it to do is to, like, a broader non-deterministic path planning that allows it to harness a multitude of tools, thus do a lot more damage.

That's what's different now.

And I guarantee you, the most sophisticated actors are not using vanilla-claude code to run their operations.

Mm-hmm.

That's ludicrous.

They have, our adversaries have better models at home that they make themselves that they're using that we have no, you know, telemetry on.

I'm wondering what other lessons I should be drawing a- about Russia.

They gather information through reconnaissance more than they do through strict intelligence.

Don't get me wrong, they do have the SVR, foreign intelligence services, you know, sleeper agents who are down behind enemy lines for ten, twenty years kind of thing.

But the, the intelligence through reconnaissance is more about pushing, pushing, and wherever you go, wherever you break through, wherever you find an advantage, just pour in resources there.

Keep pushing, keep pushing, keep pushing.

You need to sort of be testing all the time, seeing what works, seeing what fails.

That's the sort of reconnaissance element of it.And is much more about engaging with your objective.

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Mm-hmm.

Um, and so, if you think about, like, the global attack surface, it's unknowable to any single human or any single security product, really.

But with the right AI system, especially a compound AI system, you can basically map that, eviscerate that, and defend that or offend that.

And so, really, AI is helping hit new scale, like orders of magnitude scale, less so new zero days.

Mm-hmm.

And those are to experiment with new technologies and bring new technologies in.

But for the most part, most buyers, I'm talking like Fortune 500 security executives, have known problems, known categories that they still need to purchase against.

And so, it's important to map, you know, be familiar enough, but also a little different, but not try to build anything too new.

We began by discussing that card.

Well, look, it could be masterful matchmaking.

Frank Warren's a sensational matchmaker.

He always has been.

He's always known.

Very rarely gets it wrong.

He's obviously got a special fighter on his hands with Moses.

silver champion.