Sally Fitzgibbons

Yeah, really cool.

And then we went on to also build, uh, an application with Sally Fitzgibbons, uh, the pro surfer-

Yeah

... to regulate anxiety in virtual reality.

Um, so they might be financial or it's like, we're gonna do this part and be quite strategic in what we do.

Or, um, m- many cases in the earlier days, we're just gonna do this for free and then, uh, and then have the perception of it being, being awesome.

And I think, um, yeah, it's kinda like how we did some work for Sally Fitzgibbons and even Alex Volkanovski, he's like a local guy from Wollongong.

And yeah, he, they both had like issues with tech people they were working with, and we just came in and said, "We'll just do it for free.