Sailing skate

Like we were... way more connected to the water early on before we got to the point where we were doing things in a different way terrestrially, right? So you've touched on something and Lisbon is an amazing area to sail because of the inner harbor area, right? That is an incredible area, both from a wind standpoint, but also just sort of a safe harbor outside of, you know, being on the Atlantic side.

So one of my favorite things now is to be out on the Patella and looking back at Barcelona out on the water and just, you know, the connection again to that blue mind aspect but also you see like other types of boats you see fishermen you see people getting their lessons that should be available for everybody

it's an just an incredible combination of something that is technically challenging but it connects you to nature and it connects you to the elements and you've got this sense of being pushed by something that isn't for once an engine.

But it almost felt like, I remember the first time I felt, now I'm gonna get all the technical terms wrong, but I was holding a rope, which is what- The