Sage of the diviners

Yeah.

Salvia is just an utterly strange and bizarre drug.

Like, the one that you mentioned, you mentioned one feature there that sounds like salvia.

I've never taken salvia, but I've spoken to a bunch of people that have, and it's a really weird one.

What is the difference between dreams and ordinary waking reality, or is there a difference? We get into what important differences might be present between a non-dual experience on ketamine versus 5-MeO-DMT.

Uh, we talk a bit about Salvia divinorum and the infamous zipper of reality.

And then we return to the question of dreams when, uh, end up talking about Robert Smith and The Cure and music and a dream that I had recently, and it kind of brings it full circle, though I didn't really think of it at the time to mention that, um, I don't consider getting props from Robert Smith about one of my tracks in a dream to be equivalent to meeting him in real life, which I'd really like to do and share some music with him.

And, uh, to top it all off, I have one of my brand-new tracks off of my album, The Fifth Temple: The Soundtrack.

Let, let's start with the basics.

Yeah.

Um, so this is Salvia divinorum, which, uh, is just Latin for diviner's sage.

And this is a form of s- It's the only psychedelic sage plant on the planet.

You guys have heard about, like, the stoned ape theory, right? That this, this is like-

You know what I wanna do is fucking salvia.

Salvia?

Yeah.

What are you, in fucking seventh grade? [laughs]

It was like a video on YouTube back in the day when I was a kid, and it was the first time I ever saw salvia.

And he's like-

[laughs] Salvia