Sadomasochism

I think his excuse was like, I want to talk him into it.

He runs a sex shop slash fetish club in Antwerp that has a back room filled with weapons and S&M photos.

That doesn't sound off-brand for Dennis Rodman.

That would be amazing

The father comes in and whips you and says, it's going to be like this.

It's too S&M.

Emotionally, artistically, when you're creating a film or you work in a film, ideally is when you're working with a group of people that they're all, it's a family and everybody's creating because it'd be very different if I was asking for something because I want more scenes or if I want more close-up times or if I want to call attention.

No, it doesn't work that way.

Like, obviously, you have, like, hair metal appropriating the leather scene and that sort of thing.

This is another example of, like, gay sex culture getting brought into mainstream and, you know, reoriented as, like, heavy metal horror where its origins are in, like, S&M clubs and, like, you know, this, like, underground gay scene.

So...

I think that there's a lot of interesting parallels there of just like, you know, like pulling from what you know, pulling from what excites you and bringing that to a larger audience.

You know,

like that's immediately where my mind goes.

And that's a fun puzzle itself to get lost in and get cursed by and drawn into the labyrinth world of S&M that is Los Angeles.

I

As soon as I saw them, I was like, Is that Repo Man from WWF? Those

S&M masks that

they put on.

It doesn't help that that one dude's head is too long.

Did

I tell you about my cousin Dom who was into S&M? He's an Italian sub.

That's true.

Dom.

So the reason I love Hellraiser, you spoke about transgressiveness, Donald.

Well, this is a film that deals with kind of S&M, but through the lens of a horror film.

It's taking a gay subculture and forcing it into the mainstream and disguising it as this kind of puzzle box supernatural film.

And it's very transgressive and there's no teenagers in it.

The gay community as a whole were very, very reluctant to come forward and get involved with the police because obviously they clearly would have been worried that if they had in some way acknowledged or admitted involvement in sadomasochistic practices, they might themselves be prosecuted, even if it was nothing to do with the case itself.

The police didn't know anything about S&M, bondage, and stuff like this.

They didn't know how to work with the gay community.

They didn't understand the elements of the crime.

You need to submit to almost like a...

S&M relationship with the distributors where their punishment is kind of a turn on.

It's like, yeah, just like they're edging us with Nathan Fielder.

I know.