Sacred Grove
Historical landmark in Wayne County, New YorkWikipedia
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Search complete. 19 mentions across 8 episodes found for "Sacred Grove".
Oct 27, 2026
Ronald A. RasbandGUEST
This is one of those times.
Ronald A. RasbandGUEST
Fitting that it was filmed in what we call the Sacred Grove in upstate New York, where Joseph offered his humble prayer.
Ronald A. RasbandGUEST
I want to draw from the proclamation this morning to emphasize five things that are significant to the Restoration.
Ronald A. RasbandGUEST
Each is a reason by itself to shout hurrah for Israel.
Colby ReddishHOST
So even though I speculated for a second on why there may be a reason if it was intentional, I think it's good to, as we're kind of concluding today's episode, to center it on the fact that we are just taking a look at what Joseph Smith claimed and seeing whether what Joseph Smith claimed is consistent with other surrounding pieces of evidence.
Colby ReddishHOST
One of the things I wanted to look at is just where the Sacred Grove is, right? So if they don't move from Palmyra to Manchester until 1820...
Colby ReddishHOST
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that just to get to the sacred Grove, which for people who are just listening, the sacred Grove is between Manchester and Palmyra, but the farm that they buy near Manchester is right next to the sacred Grove for all intents and purposes.
Colby ReddishHOST
It's completely separated from Palmyra.
Colby ReddishHOST
So it seems much more likely just due to travel that the vision happened after they're, after they've moved to Manchester.
Mike KennedyGUEST
They have places to walk and see through the whole thing.
Mike KennedyGUEST
So there, what was neat about this is you go to the sacred grove, and this is where the father and the son appeared, a little boy, 14 years old, Joseph Smith.
Mike KennedyGUEST
And he's known right there in those trees.
Mike KennedyGUEST
You see those trees in that forest.
Mike KennedyGUEST
His Father, and Jesus Christ is the Father's only begotten Son.
Mike KennedyGUEST
And the neat thing is we separated, there's a lot of different walkways and paths in there that you can go in and walk and sit and pray for your own testimony of the gain of Jesus.
Mike KennedyGUEST
of Jesus Christ in this sacred grove.
Mike KennedyGUEST
And so all my daughters went different directions.
Colby ReddishHOST
I think it's good to, as we're kind of concluding today's episode, to center it on the fact that we are just taking a look at what Joseph Smith claimed and seeing whether what Joseph Smith claimed is consistent with other surrounding pieces of evidence.
Colby ReddishHOST
One of the things I wanted to look at is just where the Sacred Grove is, right? So if they don't move from Palmyra to Manchester until 1820...
Colby ReddishHOST
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that just to get to the Sacred Grove, which for people who are just listening, the Sacred Grove is between Manchester and Palmyra, but the farm that they buy near Manchester is right next to the Sacred Grove for all intents and purposes.
Colby ReddishHOST
It's completely separated.
Colby ReddishHOST
So it seems much more likely just due to travel that the vision happened after they've moved to Manchester.
HarrellGUEST
And he says, like, so what are some of the devil's tactics? Yeah.
HarrellGUEST
And he says, he brings up Joseph Smith and the Sacred Grove and how Lucifer had exerted such an astonishing influence over Joseph as to bind his tongue so he couldn't speak.
HarrellGUEST
And so then he says, don't be a missionary that's willing to let your tongue be bound.
Shawn RecordHOST
Wow.
speaker_2UNKNOWN
Universal truth became the heavily guarded property of the institution.
speaker_2UNKNOWN
Power, secrecy, and restricted access to the highest ordinances replaced the openness of the sacred grove.
speaker_1UNKNOWN
Which brings us to a fascinating historical and metaphysical question.
speaker_1UNKNOWN
What happens to this massive, highly charged spiritual container after the founder is violently removed?
11 MINS LATER
speaker_2UNKNOWN
Yes.
speaker_2UNKNOWN
The DNA of direct revelation is in the soil.
speaker_2UNKNOWN
So perhaps for you, the sacred grove never actually disappeared.
speaker_2UNKNOWN
Over the decades, the institution built a massive multi-billion dollar cathedral directly over the grove.
GlennHOST
Universal truth became the heavily guarded property of the institution.
GlennHOST
Power, secrecy, and restricted access to the highest ordinances replaced the openness of the Sacred Grove.
AveryGUEST
Which brings us to a fascinating historical and metaphysical question.
AveryGUEST
What happens to this massive, highly charged spiritual container after the Founder is violently removed?
11 MINS LATER
GlennHOST
Yes.
GlennHOST
The DNA of direct revelation is in the soil.
GlennHOST
So perhaps for you, the Sacred Grove never actually disappeared.
GlennHOST
Over the decades, the institution built a massive, multi-billion dollar cathedral directly over the Grove.
Chris BlytheGUEST
Um, and Hyrum says, "No, Joseph, this isn't right.
Chris BlytheGUEST
I don't think that things are good." And he's like, "Well, his, his tongue is bound because it'll be loosed," maybe like what Joseph experienced at the Sacred Grove.
Chris BlytheGUEST
And Hyrum's like, "Look, brother, you gotta...
Chris BlytheGUEST
We gotta do something." Joseph kneels down, prays, figure out what's going on, and then casts it out.