Ryan Sidebottom

And you played alongside Jake Weatherwood as well.

And you're facing Ryan Sidebottom.

I'm pretty sure he's the England...

Bola and Fawad Ahmed as well.

Yeah.

So Ryan Sidebottom is another one.

Chris Tremlett's da- um, uh, was better than his.

Hmm.

It was at a series in New Zealand, my last as captain, where we went one-nil down.

Uh, I stayed very consistent with Matthew Hoggard, Steve Harmison, uh, Ryan Sidebottom.

Got a hat trick actually in that first game at Hamilton.

And, uh, Peter Moores was the coach, and he wanted to make the change at the start of the series, and I said, "Look, I need to be consistent with those that have done so much work for me." So we said, "Let's give them that first game.

Sharpen up or you'll just play, you'll, you'll just play county cricket for the rest of your life.

And I think that was the kick that Swanny needed, and him, him and Ryan Sidebottom I think broke into the England team over the course of 2008, I'm gonna say.

Um, but on the back of Fleming telling them not to waste their careers.

Yeah.