How has the perspective on your challenges in your daily life down here at 900 feet of elevation with no physical strain, how has the perspective changed the way you look at problems?

Yeah, I think one of the biggest things that I, when I was going to do Everest, I thought, okay, this is one of the pinnacles of human endeavors.

And if I reach this and I come back successful, that some epiphany may happen and I'll have all of my problems in life and everything figured out.

And it doesn't work like that.

And so as you go through life, you realize that If you make the journey the goal, then the goal doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter what you hit, right? Success is experiencing all of that process.

And then there's joy in everything.

What do you want to be remembered for?

How has the perspective on your challenges in your daily life down here at 900 feet of elevation with no physical strain, how has the perspective changed the way you look at problems?

Yeah, I think one of the biggest things that I, when I was going to do Everest, I thought, Okay, this is one of the pinnacles of human endeavors.

And if I reach this and I come back successful, that some epiphany may happen and I'll have all of my problems in life and everything figured out.

And it doesn't work like that.

And so as you go through life, you realize that If you make the journey the goal, then the goal doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter what you hit, right? Success is experiencing all of that process.

And then there's joy in everything.

What do you want to be remembered for?

... your long-term relationship?

I think in a lot of ways, um, allowing each other to grow on the, on the paths that they need to grow, right? Everybody is gonna be in the relationship at some point growing a little bit faster or slower than the other person.

And I think that as long as you're growing towards the same goal, um, it's something that you can sustain.

But to your point, I mean, relationships, like anything in life, whether it's physical fitness or business or your kids, like, they, they require work and dedication and intention.

And I think, you know, showing up for each other and being patient for each other and, you know, allowing each other to, to fail and to struggle, but also support them and, and see them through those things.

Um, you know, my wife, for instance, on Everest, I mean, leaving for that and knowing the risks involved and the children that I have, and she was immensely supportive.

And having that behind me just kind of gave me this courage and this confidence of like, "Yeah, I'm gonna do this." And so having somebody like that, again, is one of those God things.

And I'm just curious where you find the most joy.

So can you fill in the gaps of those kind of benchmark moments of your life and, and kind of give our audience, give the listeners a, a bit of framework and s- and kind of context and substance for what we're talking about today?

Sure, absolutely.

And, and thanks for all of this.

And just, again, grateful for being on this podcast with you, so thank you.

So when I was younger, my father and I now have a much better relationship after getting sober.

When I was really young, he and my mother were not necessarily together, and they, and they didn't have the closest relationship, and he grew up in circumstances where it was really tough.

And so he had a hard time being present in my life.

Mm-hmm.