Have these issues and conversations made it to patients yet in your experience?

I can't speak for how everybody has approached this.

I would say in my own practice, it's not something that comes up initially.

I feel like for most patients, they've got a lot on their plate and we focus on and say, hey, this is how we're going to treat this, how we're going to cure it.

I think that's the best approach for the patient at the moment, but I think long-term and as the patient gets underway, et cetera, I do think that having patient advocates talking about this is why I went to that center.

This is how I was able to get care is important.

It's one of the areas that, you know, we as a network have started to look at a little bit in terms of getting patients more involved in that advocacy process, because ultimately, and I think this is a message for, you know, the groups out there, ultimately, you know, for an insurance company, We are the ones that get paid by the insurance company, whereas patients typically, they and their employers are the ones that pay the insurance company.

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