Rutgers, The State University Of New Jersey School Of Law, Camden

[instrumental music] Welcome to Corporate Power and the Politics of Change, an ECGI podcast.

I'm Matteo Gatti, Professor of Law at Rutgers Law School, research member of the European Corporate Governance Institute and the author of Corporate Power and the Politics of Change, published by Cambridge University Press.

My book is about what I call corporate governing, corporations stepping into contested socioeconomic spaces that belonged once to government.

Today's guest has written a book that looks at the same world from the inside, asking how corporations actually make these decisions and how they should.

I play around with it.

Let's say Rutgers Law decided to give me an honorary law degree.

Could I go on Newsmax or Fox and say I'm a lawyer? No.

You know, you have to use some other language.

For many years, he used a white cane, a special device that allows blind and visually impaired people to navigate by feeling for vibrations in the ground.

But when he was accepted to Rutgers Law School in 2001, he faced a daunting commute.

I did not have the experience in navigating a high-density urban area, right? Wide roads, a lot of traffic moving fast, tall buildings.

The sound is bouncing back and reverberating off of those tall buildings.

So this all happened kind of simultaneously because when I broke my neck, the next year I was at Ravenpill College, which is in New Jersey, specialized in being very accessible for people in wheelchairs.

I wanted to become a lawyer again, so I went to Rutgers Law School.

And then I became an attorney in New Jersey and Pennsylvania bars.

I passed both bars.