Russ Hudson

It just, you know, my wife grew up 15 minutes from her.

And so we go in and then Haley was, I think the one who got the book wisdom of the Enneagram, Russ Hudson.

Yes.

they said something like, what do you think Jonathan is on the Enneagram? Which I had no idea what they were talking about.

And that's where she's gonna land.

But she says, "I still think that behind anger is a tempest of pain, grief, betrayal, disappointment, and other emotions." I know that I've heard Russ Hudson talk about that, uh, that for ones, grief is a primary, that it's not anger, that one, that grief is what's underlying things.

And, you know, I mean, some, some Enneagram folks who are fairly knowledgeable [chuckles] go down that road.

Uh, we're talking about...

There's also Roberto Benigni.

And it was Russ Hudson that pointed out that similarity to me, which I'd never thought about.

But I can see validity because Wayman is, or Beta Wayman, as we're calling him, very enthusiastic.

He's very playful.

And one of the books was an Enneagram book.

Which one? It was by Russ Hudson.

The Rachel Hudson

book?

Okay.

But that said, so...

so years later russ hudson wrote the forward to my book which was an honor so huge huge

that is a huge

We've talked about fives amassing knowledge and this need to apply it to lived experience, to alchemize it, to metabolize it.

There's this quote from Russ Hudson on this, and I'll just read the very brief top of it.

Like all the types, what fives need to do is what scares us the most.

We've got to come out and make contact.

I'm very honored to be mentioned in that connection.

I'm hearing such a great theme of this permission, Morgan, to be our true selves.

And I can't help now in this conversation to share about a quote I heard from Russ Hudson that moved me to tears.

And in thinking about the head center, heart center, gut center thing of the Enneagram and the five, is in the head center.

The mechanism here is very circular, which means there is just this endless supply.

And Russ puts it very interestingly.

He says it's angst.

The fear expresses itself in the form of angst, constant angst.

How am I oriented in the world? And I'm very attached to that, which is provided by the protective function.

And attachment to both We can talk about the type six because it gives a relationship, an attachment relationship with the protective function.

The feeling of the hard ground underneath my feet, that somebody has my back, right? And I remember Russ Hudson giving the example of how the child is tossed up in the air and held back again.

Somebody is there to catch me.