Rural Payments Agency

And Cefas is the government's marine and freshwater science advisory body.

We also know that he's had a temporary role as interim chief exec of the government's Rural Payments Agency in the mid-last year before he returned to Cefas at the start of this year.

He's also had some roles at Defra, so he was Defra's deputy director for flood risk management between January 2015 and November 2016, and was also the department's deputy director for sea fisheries between July 2012 and January 2015.

I probably have an unfair impression of what Cefas is like, but to go from there into this political firestorm must be quite an adjustment to make.

Just things you never really think of.

Obviously, one of the big things we have is the Rural Payments Agency are quite strict on how cattle can be trimmed and whatnot.

It's amazing kind of, you never really think about that.

You just kind of assume that the cow just goes up and gets graded.

It's the, the farmer is the victim, not the oppressor or the aggressor in this one.

Yeah, the RPA and Defra need to have a complete rethink about this scheme.

The really sad thing and whether or not they Defra do appreciate this, but it couldn't have come at any worse time for agriculture-

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