Running on Empty

Yeah.

And then you're like, "Well, how, how comes, uh, we couldn't have got it good?" Um- [laughs] But I chased that with Running On Empty, the Sidney Lumet, uh, joint, and that was good.

Oh.

Oh, I've seen that.

I've not seen it

... well, you might love it.

I doubt it, but- I have a feeling I may have seen Running On Empty years ago.

Is it good, then? Yeah, it's great fun.

We needed to have a section on fury and rage, and I do think, I d- I sort of hope there's a journey in the book, and I do think when you're, I, I do think you want to wallow, and I think you want to feel the feelings, and you want the, the good kind of crying you get from going to see a very, very sad film, that you know that you are going to have that release.

I mean, Running on Empty, River Phoenix.

I mean [laughs] that you-

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